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Hello John and others,
Here's an article on Godwin's principle:
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law[/url]
Perhaps it's best to use other American contempories, like Huey Long, to describe the politics of an Obama or a Patrick.
Also, in history, there are other dictatorial leaders like Napolean Bonaparte who's still, far removed from the likes of a Hitler or Stalin, with his Napoleonic code and the Continental system which is more in line with extreme American politics. |
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| I think you're right, whenever I used the Hitler references in job interviews I never seemed to get the job. Go figure? |
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Just to be clear so that the Renter guy doesn't hate me, I do not think that Obama is or will be a Hitler. That is crazy talk. I do, however, think his fanning the flames of entitlement and bailout mentality could cause a Depression, and a US Depression will cause shock waves and some unstable nations might choose a crazy like Hitler. Take a look at what Brasil did with Lula
http://www.germanculture.com.ua/library/history/bl_hitler_rise_of_nazi.htm
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| Quote: | Had it not been for the economic collapse that began with the Wall Street stock market crash of October 1929, Hitler probably would not have come to power. The Great Depression hit Germany hard because the German economy's well-being depended on short-term loans from the United States. Once these loans were recalled, Germany was devastated. Unemployment went from 8.5 percent in 1929 to 14 percent in 1930, to 21.9 percent in 1931, and, at its peak, to 29.9 percent in 1932. Compounding the effects of the Depression were the drastic economic measures taken by Center Party politician Heinrich Bruening, who served as chancellor from March 1930 until the end of May 1932. Bruening's budget cuts were designed to cause so much misery that the Allies would excuse Germany from making any further reparations payments. In this at least, Bruening succeeded. United States president Herbert Hoover declared a "reparations moratorium" in 1932. In the meantime, the Depression deepened, and social discontent intensified to the point that Germany seemed on the verge of civil war.
In times of desperation, voters are ready for extreme solutions, and the NSDAP exploited the situation. Skilled Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels launched an intensive media campaign that ceaselessly expounded a few simple notions until even the dullest voter knew Hitler's basic program. The party's program was broad and general enough to appeal to many unemployed people, farmers, white-collar workers, members of the middle class who had been hurt by the Depression or had lost status since the end of World War I, and young people eager to dedicate themselves to nationalist ideals. If voters were not drawn to some aspects of the party platform, they might agree with others. Like other right-wing groups, the party blamed the Treaty of Versailles and reparations for the developing crisis. Nazi propaganda attacked the Weimar political system, the "November criminals," Marxists, internationalists, and Jews. Besides promising a solution to the economic crisis, the NSDAP offered the German people a sense of national pride and the promise of restored order.
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A responsible professional always starts from the worst case scenario and works backwards. I think it is a sign of responsibility to address the worst predispositions that can lead to the worst events in our history. Scapegoating and delusion can lead to dangerous situations in a time of economic crisis. |
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You know, it's all going to be ok.
http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/
This website conviced me. I'm going to go out tomorrow and sign up for Obama Yoga (scroll about 2/5ths down) and hopefully it will heal my cynical spirit.
Here's my favorite quote:
| Quote: | "I'll do whatever he says to do. I'll collect paper cups off the ground to make his pathway clear."
-- Halle Berry
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one more..
| Quote: | "This is bigger than Kennedy. . . . This is the New Testament." | "I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don't have that too often. No, seriously. It's a dramatic event."
-- Chris Matthews
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http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=demagogue
demagogue defined as:
| Quote: | 1. a person, esp. an orator or political leader, who gains power and popularity by arousing the emotions, passions, and prejudices of the people.
2. (in ancient times) a leader of the people.
–verb (used with object) 3. to treat or manipulate (a political issue) in the manner of a demagogue; obscure or distort with emotionalism, prejudice, etc.
–verb (used without object) 4. to speak or act like a demagogue.
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| Quote: | "This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."
-- Barack Obama
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I can't wait for the action hero toy to come out. |
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As far as Huey Long, after reading that segment and from what I've researched, Long was a total populist: economic and socialist.
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/social-populism-economic-2205765-populists-tax
This is a great article by Dick Morris describing the difference between an economic populist - one who stands against economic "injustice" and wants to spread the wealth and a socialist populist - one who doesn't like elites kind of like a Mike Huckabee and how they don't like Harvard or the "Main Stream Media" or the "Hollywood Elites".
I guess I am a socialist populist because I hate to see people turn into little schoolgirls in love when they see a leader. I believe a government of the people needs strong independent and intelligent citizens and not weak sheep. |
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Alan Greenspan recently said that he underestimated the greed in the world.
What I say is the for greed to exist you need a weak stupid person on the other end. I think we may have underestimated the stupidity in this country as well.
Guys, when you look at these numbers, keep in mind they are like a temperature reading of people's dispositon.
I have never seen this much emotion, irrationality take hold in the market. I am kind of surprised because I thought we were a bit more sophisticated. I apologize for the extreme analogies, but this is sort of new territory and I have not drilled down to any load bearing soil or bedrock and the stupidity just blows my mind so much I don't know what is possible.
I feel like I've been slavish to studying the numbers right now, when it was really emotion that I needed monitor.
Inflation or deflation will depend on what the lenders and the borrowers will settle on. The american autoworkers union never paid enough to keep their pensions afloat, they pushed to get their fat salaries and drove the industry to where it wasn't competitive, and they didn't save enough to pay their pensions. I mean if you have millions of people that didn't save enough and are in trouble, to what degree are they our problem?
Now, I know most on this site went ape-shit when they offered a bailout for housing in Massachusetts, but somehow now that we're seeing that government has just rang the dinner bell, people seem to be ok with it. What does everyone's spreadsheets say when government bails out massive failing industries? Guys the rules are changing, are we dealing with touchdowns, home runs, baskets? Before we expect the numbers to firm up, we need people to get rational. |
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Can you believe this Sh*t? FED over night rate down to zero. Dollar bill will be freely printed and hand to any instituion which wants it fast. I am not sure what this might lead us to, but I know my hard earned dollar is worth less now compare to this morning.
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| Economic Martial Law. |
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