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Housing Affordability... Bostonians can move to Houston

 
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Boston ITer



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:18 pm GMT    Post subject: Housing Affordability... Bostonians can move to Houston Reply with quote

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf

In the above article, aside of the bubble stories of Vancouver to London, the USA has a lot of affordable markets but away from the formerly marquee cities. Since Dallas was a focal pt, I figured it's probably better to mention Houston, since it's got a larger job market for the various experienced generalists in the metro Boston area.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:11 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you'd be content in a supporting role, where the primary product is something different than your function, then I think Houston or Dallas would be fine. But if you want to work for a company where you are working on the end product then Austin is a much better choice. Austin, as a liberal city, unfortunately shares liberal city problems and as a result can have a significantly higher cost of living than the rest of Texas. However, as my previous post have shown, it's nowhere near as bad as places like Boston, NY, or San Francisco. Being in TX, it still have growth friendly policies.

I like this report though. In particular, it points out how urban sprawl actually reduces per capita carbon emissions, which is the excuse that snob zoning supports use to support their policies. Also the typical statement about land use restrictions:
"Prescriptive land use regulation policies (principally compact development and urban consolidation) have virtually destroyed housing affordability in many markets."

"which would not only minimize the potential for future busts, but would
also ensure housing affordability for future generations." Now I listened to the state of the union and I'm pretty sure that at this point no one remotely cares about the interests of future generations, except perhaps when it comes to government debt (and then it's all talk) but especially not housing.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:22 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was actually just reading an article the other day about population shifts and cities with the fastest growing populations. One of the central trends was a consistent migration away from North and East, towards South and West.
While it was no surprise that people are leaving the Midwest in droves, it was a little more surprising to see the number of people leaving New England cities for places like Austin, Denver, Phoenix, etc, in addition to the more traditional destinations such as L.A. and Florida.
All I can say when it comes to real estate investing is "follow the people!"
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 11:00 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

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it was a little more surprising to see the number of people leaving New England cities for places like Austin, Denver, Phoenix, etc


People are leaving out of necessity. The difference in average salaries, between Boston and let's say Houston, are only 10-15% but in terms of housing, it's almost a 50% difference in prices.

http://realestate.yahoo.com/Texas/Houston/13703-elm-shores-dr:7bdacce567046d0779f8deb6eec6256;_ylt=ArhOprxIEq3kRI5kTfDBBINn47Qs

The above is $350K in Houston, an equivalent house in metro Boston would be $650K.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:12 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

$650k? Are we talking about "Great Boston area" (Worcester, Providence, and NH) or actually Boston? Because in the Boston area (128 belt) a new construction house starts at $800k. That looks like a nicer house so a better comparison might be $1mil - $1.2mil.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:50 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

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$650k? Are we talking about "Great Boston area"


I was being flexible (excluding the Newton/Lexington-like immune clubhouses) and including Wilmington/Danvers/Stoughton, which are still are part of the general metro area but in a price range which a middle class couple could "potentially" afford something which isn't a complete dive.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:59 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose that's a fair comparison then, maybe. We can't really tell how nice that house is on the inside but it sounds pretty nice but for a ballpark number I'd agree it's in the right place. That house is 30mi from Houston downtown, which puts you in the 495 belt here, though I don't think houses appreciate in price as quickly getting closer to downtown in Houston as they do here. Schools aren't that great there. Is it a wealthy area? Looks like the house is on a lake!
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